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Venezuela Military Capabilities

Assessment of Venezuelan air defense, F-16 fleet status, why there was minimal resistance to US helicopters, and the asymmetry between US and Venezuelan military power.

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The Venezuelan military is portrayed as a hollow force, with observers pointing to non-functional F-16s and air defenses that were either systematically dismantled by pre-emptive strikes or ordered to stand down. While the U.S. leveraged massive logistical advantages through aircraft carriers and regional alliances, the total lack of resistance suggests that internal corruption and negotiated exits likely played a larger role than hardware alone. Ultimately, the operation highlights a stark power asymmetry, though commenters argue that such a brazen helicopter extraction would be far less likely to succeed against a nuclear-armed state or one protected by Chinese intervention.

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Us has these nifty things called aircraft carriers, which were used to capture Maduro as well. They can be in international waters, the choppers fly quite far. China would not retaliate against the US.
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> Us has these nifty things called aircraft carriers, which were used to capture Maduro as well. It wasn't just carriers in Maduro's case. The operation was carried from multiple places, including out of Caribbean countries aligned with the US. The US was literally signing deals with those countries months in advance. Who would those countries be in an hypothetical NK strike? Because those countries would suffer retaliation.
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Securing airspace for fancy stealth bombers is rather different from securing airspace for helicopters you can shoot down with just about anything.
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If you mean during the israel-iran war, israel was allegedly using non-stealth planes once the airspace was secure. Still probably quite a bit different then helicopter inserted decapitation strike.
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I think clanky covered this pretty well, but dropping bombs from high altitude stealth bombers and fighter jets is very very far from actually delivering and extracting soldiers from a location. The US could probably bomb even Beijing, it doesn't really tell you anything that they were able to bomb Iran also.
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>It's extremely difficult to believe that the US could fly a bunch of helicopters to Pyongyang or Tehran and do the same within 30 minutes. Would your answer change if China were somehow guaranteed to not intervene? Because I'm not sure the obstacle here is North Korean defenses, so much as Chinese intervention. Tehran? I think it'd go more or less like Caracas did.
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I think "this kind of operation" refers to the entire "we bombed your capital and stole your President" thing, not just the cyber component of it. It seems extraordinarily unlikely we'd have attempted such a thing if Venezuela had nukes.
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There's still a lot of information coming out, a lot of it conflicting, so that's hard to say. And frankly, the Venezuelan military is absolutely tiny and has been facing the same economic issues as the rest of the country. They have 24 F-16s, but rumor is none of them work anymore, maybe some SU-30s, but those would be shot down pretty much as soon as they were scrambled. There was pretty heavy bombing before hand to knock out AA. And they bombed Chavez's tomb, which is quite a dick move of there wasn't any AA there; blowing up a graveyard for shits and giggles on an op is some shit even cartels have a little bit more respect than to do. IDK, the whole thing seems like equally could have been mostly what it says on the tin, with no more than the normal intelligence HUMINT/SIGINT/*INT cloak and dagger crap to have the right intelligence.
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the popular conspiracy theory among Russian opposition is that Maduro exit was negotiated, so he will do small time at a Fed club and would preserve significant amount of his money (at least couple hundreds of millions), and after completing the time will end up with his money in Russia/Belarussia. We can see that nobody was going to resist the operation in Venezuela, so it doesn't really matter that Venezuela doesn't have nukes. Using nukes isn't just a matter of pressing a button, it involves a lot of people and processes - thus any significant opposition inside the force or just widespread sabotage will make it unusable.
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The only anomaly was military. As far as I can tell, Venezuela's AD was shut down, or told to shut down. Didn't the US use Chinooks? They're supposed to be loud. And AD didn't take even one out. If Venezuela as corrupt as most socialist countries, I have no doubt that someone in his inner circle gave him up. Back in the days of our version of socialism we had Indian politicians selling out for $100K, leave alone $50M.