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AI is breaking two vulnerability cultures

161 comments · 9,908 words

Failed Created: May 9, 03:55 PM (00:11:24)

Models: Claude Opus 4.5 (analyze) · Gemini 3 Flash (tag) · Gemini 3 Flash (summarize)

Article URL: https://www.jefftk.com/p/ai-is-breaking-two-vulnerability-cultures (803 words)

Article Summary

The article discusses how AI is disrupting two traditional approaches to handling software vulnerabilities: 'coordinated disclosure' (privately notifying maintainers with a 90-day fix window) and 'bugs are bugs' culture (quietly fixing issues without highlighting security implications). With AI now capable of quickly identifying security patches from code commits and independently discovering vulnerabilities, both approaches are becoming less effective. The author suggests shorter embargoes may be necessary, as AI acceleration benefits both attackers and defenders.

Comment Summary

Commenters largely agree that coordinated disclosure norms were already breaking down before AI, with binary diffing and decompilation making patches equivalent to disclosures. Discussion centers on whether this shift favors attackers or defenders, with some arguing AI will eventually help fix vulnerabilities faster than they're created. Debate emerged around closed vs. open source security implications, the feasibility of automated patching, appropriate disclosure timelines, and whether 'vibe coded' AI-generated software is introducing new vulnerabilities at scale.

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[2026-05-09T22:55:36.256Z] Starting step: fetch_pages (attempt 1)
[2026-05-09T22:55:36.292Z] Fetching HN page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48066524
[2026-05-09T22:55:36.420Z] Fetched HN page: 258134 bytes
[2026-05-09T22:55:36.609Z] Extracted title: AI is breaking two vulnerability cultures
[2026-05-09T22:55:36.637Z] Extracted linked URL: https://www.jefftk.com/p/ai-is-breaking-two-vulnerability-cultures
[2026-05-09T22:55:36.663Z] Fetching linked article: https://www.jefftk.com/p/ai-is-breaking-two-vulnerability-cultures
[2026-05-09T22:55:36.972Z] Fetched linked article: 25496 bytes
[2026-05-09T22:55:37.153Z] Completed step: fetch_pages in 872ms
[2026-05-09T22:55:37.490Z] Starting step: extract_text (attempt 1)
[2026-05-09T22:55:37.584Z] Extracted HN text: 67461 chars
[2026-05-09T22:55:37.730Z] Extracted 161 comments
[2026-05-09T22:55:37.920Z] Extracted linked article text: 4644 chars, 803 words
[2026-05-09T22:55:38.064Z] Comment word count: 9908
[2026-05-09T22:55:38.141Z] Completed step: extract_text in 626ms
[2026-05-09T22:55:38.495Z] Starting step: analyze_content (attempt 1)
[2026-05-09T22:55:38.624Z] Calling claude-opus-4-5-20251101 (article: 4644 chars, 161 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:56:11.965Z] Analysis complete: 20 topics, 14814 input tokens, 1173 output tokens
[2026-05-09T22:56:12.015Z] Completed step: analyze_content in 33495ms
[2026-05-09T22:56:12.162Z] Starting step: tag_comments (attempt 1)
[2026-05-09T22:56:12.232Z] Tagging 161 comments with 20 topics (batch size: 50)
[2026-05-09T22:56:12.257Z] Processing batch 1/4 (50 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:56:41.443Z] Batch 1 complete: 82 tags assigned
[2026-05-09T22:56:41.465Z] Processing batch 2/4 (50 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:57:02.091Z] Batch 2 complete: 73 tags assigned
[2026-05-09T22:57:02.136Z] Processing batch 3/4 (50 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:57:18.511Z] Batch 3 complete: 64 tags assigned
[2026-05-09T22:57:18.533Z] Processing batch 4/4 (11 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:57:39.489Z] Batch 4 complete: 21 tags assigned
[2026-05-09T22:57:39.515Z] Tagging complete: 240 total tags, 21700 input tokens, 3730 output tokens
[2026-05-09T22:57:39.547Z] Completed step: tag_comments in 87359ms
[2026-05-09T22:57:39.704Z] Starting step: summarize_topics (attempt 1)
[2026-05-09T22:57:39.738Z] Summarizing 20 topics
[2026-05-09T22:57:39.815Z] Summarizing topic 1/20: "Coordinated Disclosure Obsolescence # Long-standing premise that patches could precede disclosure has been false for over a decade due to BinDiff, decompilation tools, and now AI. Embargoes create false security sense while limiting who can work on fixes." (15 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:57:47.267Z] Topic 1 summarized (2607 in, 143 out)
[2026-05-09T22:57:47.317Z] Summarizing topic 2/20: "Patch Transparency Problem # Any public patch inherently discloses vulnerabilities. Multiple organizations now feed diffs through LLMs to identify security fixes and generate exploit guidance automatically, making quiet fixes impossible." (16 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:57:53.589Z] Topic 2 summarized (1610 in, 131 out)
[2026-05-09T22:57:53.633Z] Summarizing topic 3/20: "Closed Source Security Advantage # Discussion of whether closed-source software and centralized SaaS gain security advantages when attackers can't analyze patches. Counter-arguments cite decompilation capabilities and server-side code remaining hidden." (11 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:58:00.526Z] Topic 3 summarized (902 in, 139 out)
[2026-05-09T22:58:00.585Z] Summarizing topic 4/20: "Full Disclosure Philosophy # Some commenters advocate for full disclosure over coordinated disclosure, arguing delay benefits corporations over users and that immediate disclosure allows system operators to implement mitigations beyond patching." (8 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:58:06.368Z] Topic 4 summarized (1488 in, 155 out)
[2026-05-09T22:58:06.409Z] Summarizing topic 5/20: "AI Arms Race Dynamics # Security becoming a token-spending competition between attackers and defenders. Current moment favors attackers who exploit before defenders patch, but equilibrium may shift as most findable bugs get fixed." (36 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:58:12.335Z] Topic 5 summarized (3465 in, 161 out)
[2026-05-09T22:58:12.372Z] Summarizing topic 6/20: "Vibe Coding Vulnerabilities # Concerns about AI-generated code introducing massive security holes. Research found thousands of vibe-coded apps with exposed data, though debate exists whether these represent true vulnerabilities versus poor app design." (10 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:58:18.128Z] Topic 6 summarized (1175 in, 156 out)
[2026-05-09T22:58:18.179Z] Summarizing topic 7/20: "Automated Patching Solutions # Proposals for AI-assisted continuous delivery reducing mean time to patch from months to hours. Counter-concerns about CrowdStrike-type failures from fast automated rollouts without proper testing." (18 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:58:27.458Z] Topic 7 summarized (2221 in, 165 out)
[2026-05-09T22:58:27.495Z] Summarizing topic 8/20: "Log4Shell Case Study # Example of coordinated disclosure failure where black hats saw commits before official release, attacks started before CVE published, demonstrating how patch-to-exploit timeline has collapsed." (1 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:58:32.411Z] Topic 8 summarized (411 in, 113 out)
[2026-05-09T22:58:32.447Z] Summarizing topic 9/20: "Defense in Depth Architecture # Discussion of designing systems to gracefully degrade, enable quick mitigations beyond patching, use feature flags, and reduce blast radius. Mobile platforms and game consoles cited as examples." (17 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:58:40.114Z] Topic 9 summarized (1859 in, 125 out)
[2026-05-09T22:58:40.153Z] Summarizing topic 10/20: "Debian Stability Model # Debate whether slow-and-steady distribution models will survive. Defenders argue Debian's patch-only approach to stable releases actually reduces vulnerability introduction while maintaining security updates." (11 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:58:47.445Z] Topic 10 summarized (1279 in, 157 out)
[2026-05-09T22:58:47.496Z] Summarizing topic 11/20: "Disclosure Timeline Debates # Arguments ranging from 90-day embargoes being too long to 5-day ultimatums for companies. Some argue life-critical systems require faster response while others note complex fixes need engineering time." (7 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:58:54.324Z] Topic 11 summarized (1457 in, 161 out)
[2026-05-09T22:58:54.362Z] Summarizing topic 12/20: "Independent Discovery Frequency # ESP vulnerability was independently discovered by second researcher just nine hours after first report, demonstrating how AI acceleration makes simultaneous discovery common, undermining embargo rationale." (3 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:58:59.868Z] Topic 12 summarized (458 in, 135 out)
[2026-05-09T22:58:59.906Z] Summarizing topic 13/20: "Server-Client Architecture Security # Moving computation server-side as defense since deployed code cannot be analyzed. Game developers note network protocol reverse engineering becoming faster with AI assistance." (13 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:59:06.305Z] Topic 13 summarized (1017 in, 142 out)
[2026-05-09T22:59:06.346Z] Summarizing topic 14/20: "Dark Forest Computing Model # Applying Liu Cixin's Dark Forest theory to network security, suggesting computing environments should assume hostile rather than friendly community, reducing over-connection and over-trust." (2 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:59:11.433Z] Topic 14 summarized (404 in, 139 out)
[2026-05-09T22:59:11.484Z] Summarizing topic 15/20: "Binary Obfuscation Effectiveness # Discussion of Microsoft allegedly shuffling code blocks to thwart BinDiff. Debate whether obfuscation provides meaningful protection against serious adversaries given modern decompilation tools." (17 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:59:11.628Z] Error in step summarize_topics: [GoogleGenerativeAI Error]: Error fetching from https://generativelanguage.googleapis.com/v1beta/models/gemini-3-flash-preview:generateContent: [503 Service Unavailable] The service is currently unavailable.
Error: [GoogleGenerativeAI Error]: Error fetching from https://generativelanguage.googleapis.com/v1beta/models/gemini-3-flash-preview:generateContent: [503 Service Unavailable] The service is currently unavailable.
    at handleResponseNotOk (index.js:4870:9)
    at async makeRequest (index.js:4844:5)
    at async generateContent (index.js:5203:20)
    at async summarizeTopic (index.js:6164:16)
    at async summarizeTopicsStep (index.js:6330:52)
    at async Object.executeStage (index.js:6433:9)
    at async processQueueMessage (index.js:9553:20)
    at async Object.queue (index.js:9704:9)
[2026-05-09T22:59:11.652Z] Scheduling retry in 10s (attempt 2)
[2026-05-09T22:59:31.727Z] Starting step: summarize_topics (attempt 2)
[2026-05-09T22:59:31.765Z] Summarizing 20 topics
[2026-05-09T22:59:31.808Z] Summarizing topic 1/20: "Coordinated Disclosure Obsolescence # Long-standing premise that patches could precede disclosure has been false for over a decade due to BinDiff, decompilation tools, and now AI. Embargoes create false security sense while limiting who can work on fixes." (15 comments)
[2026-05-09T22:59:39.477Z] Error in step summarize_topics: D1_ERROR: UNIQUE constraint failed: topic_summaries.job_id, topic_summaries.topic_index: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT (extended: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT_UNIQUE)
Error: D1_ERROR: UNIQUE constraint failed: topic_summaries.job_id, topic_summaries.topic_index: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT (extended: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT_UNIQUE)
    at D1DatabaseSessionAlwaysPrimary._sendOrThrow (cloudflare-internal:d1-api:139:19)
    at async cloudflare-internal:d1-api:353:41
    at async insertTopicSummary (index.js:201:3)
    at async summarizeTopicsStep (index.js:6340:5)
    at async Object.executeStage (index.js:6433:9)
    at async processQueueMessage (index.js:9553:20)
    at async Object.queue (index.js:9704:9)
[2026-05-09T22:59:39.504Z] Scheduling retry in 30s (attempt 3)
[2026-05-09T23:00:17.076Z] Starting step: summarize_topics (attempt 3)
[2026-05-09T23:00:17.112Z] Summarizing 20 topics
[2026-05-09T23:00:17.153Z] Summarizing topic 1/20: "Coordinated Disclosure Obsolescence # Long-standing premise that patches could precede disclosure has been false for over a decade due to BinDiff, decompilation tools, and now AI. Embargoes create false security sense while limiting who can work on fixes." (15 comments)
[2026-05-09T23:00:25.001Z] Error in step summarize_topics: D1_ERROR: UNIQUE constraint failed: topic_summaries.job_id, topic_summaries.topic_index: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT (extended: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT_UNIQUE)
Error: D1_ERROR: UNIQUE constraint failed: topic_summaries.job_id, topic_summaries.topic_index: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT (extended: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT_UNIQUE)
    at D1DatabaseSessionAlwaysPrimary._sendOrThrow (cloudflare-internal:d1-api:139:19)
    at async cloudflare-internal:d1-api:353:41
    at async insertTopicSummary (index.js:201:3)
    at async summarizeTopicsStep (index.js:6340:5)
    at async Object.executeStage (index.js:6433:9)
    at async processQueueMessage (index.js:9553:20)
    at async Object.queue (index.js:9704:9)
[2026-05-09T23:00:25.021Z] Scheduling retry in 90s (attempt 4)
[2026-05-09T23:02:02.523Z] Starting step: summarize_topics (attempt 4)
[2026-05-09T23:02:02.561Z] Summarizing 20 topics
[2026-05-09T23:02:02.599Z] Summarizing topic 1/20: "Coordinated Disclosure Obsolescence # Long-standing premise that patches could precede disclosure has been false for over a decade due to BinDiff, decompilation tools, and now AI. Embargoes create false security sense while limiting who can work on fixes." (15 comments)
[2026-05-09T23:02:10.764Z] Error in step summarize_topics: D1_ERROR: UNIQUE constraint failed: topic_summaries.job_id, topic_summaries.topic_index: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT (extended: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT_UNIQUE)
Error: D1_ERROR: UNIQUE constraint failed: topic_summaries.job_id, topic_summaries.topic_index: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT (extended: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT_UNIQUE)
    at D1DatabaseSessionAlwaysPrimary._sendOrThrow (cloudflare-internal:d1-api:139:19)
    at async cloudflare-internal:d1-api:353:41
    at async insertTopicSummary (index.js:201:3)
    at async summarizeTopicsStep (index.js:6340:5)
    at async Object.executeStage (index.js:6433:9)
    at async processQueueMessage (index.js:9553:20)
    at async Object.queue (index.js:9704:9)
[2026-05-09T23:02:10.794Z] Scheduling retry in 270s (attempt 5)
[2026-05-09T23:06:51.942Z] Starting step: summarize_topics (attempt 5)
[2026-05-09T23:06:52.245Z] Summarizing 20 topics
[2026-05-09T23:06:52.311Z] Summarizing topic 1/20: "Coordinated Disclosure Obsolescence # Long-standing premise that patches could precede disclosure has been false for over a decade due to BinDiff, decompilation tools, and now AI. Embargoes create false security sense while limiting who can work on fixes." (15 comments)
[2026-05-09T23:06:58.995Z] Error in step summarize_topics: D1_ERROR: UNIQUE constraint failed: topic_summaries.job_id, topic_summaries.topic_index: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT (extended: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT_UNIQUE)
Error: D1_ERROR: UNIQUE constraint failed: topic_summaries.job_id, topic_summaries.topic_index: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT (extended: SQLITE_CONSTRAINT_UNIQUE)
    at D1DatabaseSessionAlwaysPrimary._sendOrThrow (cloudflare-internal:d1-api:139:19)
    at async cloudflare-internal:d1-api:353:41
    at async insertTopicSummary (index.js:201:3)
    at async summarizeTopicsStep (index.js:6340:5)
    at async Object.executeStage (index.js:6433:9)
    at async processQueueMessage (index.js:9553:20)
    at async Object.queue (index.js:9704:9)
[2026-05-09T23:06:59.075Z] Job failed after 5 attempts

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