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The following is content for you to summarize. Do not respond to the comments—summarize them. <topic> Aesthetic Tone Differences # Debate about how Bethesda's Fallout games missed the dark irony of originals, becoming too goofy and leaning too heavily into 1950s references rather than post-apocalyptic evolution </topic> <comments_about_topic> 1. Yeah, for me, Fallout 1 and 2 are the definitive Fallout games (ignoring Tactics as I never played it). I felt like 3 and onward were like Elder Scrolls total conversions, and I always saw them as "spiritual successors" but not exactly cut from the same cloth, or something. Like, same universe, but very different style and feel, and far less memorable or influential to me. Of course I played the first two games at a far more impressionable age, but the actual atmosphere of the games was a lot more gritty and impactful, even comparing the "eras" today. 2. The worst part about it is that the new games completely miss the irony in the themes. In the original the Vault Boy design that shows up everywhere was in stark contrast to the entire atmosphere and theme of the game, which was dark to the point that it'd probably have trouble being remade in modern times without extensive censorship. It created an amazing and immersive feel to the game somehow, in spite of the graphics being simple to the point of most characters looking literally identical (which can be quite confusing in an RPG where characters also wander). But the new games are goofy throughout and basically just Skyrim with guns in a post apocalyptic setting, which feels like they just took the Vault Boy meme and turned it into a game. Even things like nuking an entire town has no 'oomph' behind it thanks to the goofy feel of the game, which feels thematically much more like Borderlands than it does Fallout. 3. The Bethesda Fallout games are not the same universe. Sure canonically they are but there is a giant aesthetic difference. Fallout 1 was occasionally wacky but was mostly straight. Fallout 2 went a bit more comedic. But the main thing is that these were post apocalyptic societies that were trying to still evolve and move on. Bethesda Fallout leaned too much into the 1950s tropes everywhere and increased the comedic levels to much. It stopped being their own separate societies living in these post apocalyptic societies, and started being just a comical post apocalyptic world full of 1950s references, despite Fallout NOT being based on the 1950s. 4. It is said Bethesda was kit bashing the initial titles. Griefers don't get mad... we all know it is true =3 </comments_about_topic> Write a concise, engaging paragraph (3-5 sentences) summarizing the key points and perspectives in these comments about the topic. Focus on the most interesting viewpoints. Do not use bullet points—write flowing prose.
Aesthetic Tone Differences # Debate about how Bethesda's Fallout games missed the dark irony of originals, becoming too goofy and leaning too heavily into 1950s references rather than post-apocalyptic evolution
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