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1. BGP Technical Analysis
Related: Detailed discussion of AS prepending, route leaks, RPKI filtering, autonomous system paths, and whether the observed anomalies represent deliberate attacks or routine misconfigurations. Experts note CANTV's normal prepending behavior and loose routing policies.
2. Nuclear Proliferation Incentives
Related: Arguments that the Venezuela operation demonstrates the value of nuclear deterrence, comparisons to Ukraine giving up nukes, North Korea's strategy, and predictions that more nations will pursue nuclear capabilities as protection against US intervention.
3. MAD and Deterrence Theory
Related: Debates about mutual assured destruction effectiveness, second-strike capabilities, nuclear triads, strategic ambiguity in nuclear policy, and whether nuclear threats are credible when leadership capture is possible.
4. Cyber Operations in Warfare
Related: Discussion of CYBERCOM involvement, cyber attacks preceding kinetic military actions, potential for disrupting power grids, and the integration of cyber capabilities with traditional military operations.
5. International Law Erosion
Related: Concerns about precedent set by extrajudicial capture of a head of state, sovereignty questions, comparisons to potential operations against other nations, and implications for international norms.
6. European Response Weakness
Related: Criticism of EU's passive response to US actions, discussion of strongly-worded letters versus action, calls for European nuclear deterrent, and debate about European political unity and capability.
7. Inside Job Speculation
Related: Theories about Venezuelan government or military cooperation with the US operation, discussion of palace coups, negotiated exits, and intelligence human sources enabling the rapid capture.
8. Trump Administration Statements
Related: Analysis of Trump's claims about capabilities, skepticism about his technical accuracy, references to his tendency to leak classified information, and parsing official statements about the operation.
9. North Korea Deterrence Model
Related: Discussion of DPRK's nuclear strategy as successful deterrence, artillery threat to Seoul, Chinese protection, and how isolated nations maintain security through asymmetric capabilities.
10. Pakistan Vulnerability
Related: Analysis of US contingency plans for Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, discussion of Pakistan's limited ability to threaten US homeland, and the role of China in regional deterrence.
11. Network Infrastructure Security
Related: Discussion of BGP insecurity, RPKI adoption, the role of transit providers like Sparkle in enabling route manipulation, and publicly available BGP monitoring data.
12. Venezuela Military Capabilities
Related: Assessment of Venezuelan air defense, F-16 fleet status, why there was minimal resistance to US helicopters, and the asymmetry between US and Venezuelan military power.
13. Greenland and Denmark Threats
Related: Concerns about US threats to Greenland, Danish PM statements, parallels to Venezuela operation, and potential future US territorial aggression against allies.
14. China and Russia Response
Related: Analysis of why China and Russia didn't defend Maduro, differences between alignment and actual protection, comparison to Chinese commitment to North Korea.
15. Intelligence Collection via BGP
Related: Theory that routing traffic through controlled transit points enables passive intelligence collection, mapping critical infrastructure dependencies, and pre-kinetic reconnaissance.
16. Encrypted Client Hello
Related: Technical aside about DNS HTTPS records, ECH implementation for privacy, SNI leaks, and implications for censorship circumvention and surveillance.
17. Operation Timeline Correlation
Related: Chronological analysis connecting BGP anomalies to subsequent military events, questioning causation versus correlation, and the value of timing analysis in OSINT.
18. Tactical vs Strategic Nuclear Use
Related: Discussion of escalation ladders, limited nuclear strikes versus full exchanges, whether tactical nuclear use would trigger strategic retaliation.
19. Civilian Infrastructure Targeting
Related: References to attacks on power grids, comparison to Russian attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure, graphite bombs, and the normalization of infrastructure warfare.
20. HN Moderation Politics
Related: Meta-discussion about downvoting patterns, flagged comments, alleged political bias in moderation, and concerns about suppression of Trump-critical content.
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"id": "46506295",
"text": "There is something in between 0 nuclear weapons used and all nuclear weapons used."
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"id": "46505900",
"text": "That's like arguing against the police arresting criminals because it will incentivize them to acquire weapons.\n\nThe only consistent action for the US to take, given they - and much of the world - do not consider Maduro the legitimate President of Venezuela, was to remove him from power."
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"id": "46507120",
"text": "And replace him with the just as illegitimate VP? What world is that consistent in?"
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"id": "46505950",
"text": "Terrible take in the 2nd premise of your argument. Is Venezuela a sovereign nation or a colony? Can similar logic be applied against Russia or even the US?"
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"id": "46506738",
"text": "> Is Venezuela a sovereign nation or a colony?\n\nReality is not that black and white. We may no longer have formal colonies, buy the world is still carved up by spheres of influence by the superpowers. Displease them and you'll find out how limited your sovereignty really is."
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"id": "46506091",
"text": "Of course it can, and it is. Such logic is behind the argument in favor of arresting Putin. Many have argued that should happen if he were to step on their nations' soil. The reason no one thinks seriously about going into Russia and enforcing open arrest warrants is that they fear the consequences, though maybe in light of Russia's revealed impotence that fear is unjustified."
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"id": "46506239",
"text": "The sovereignty of Venezuela is not the right argument here, because practical sovereignty is not absolute and there are just war grounds for Maduro's capture. The man was an awful tyrant.\n\nHowever , just because there are just war grounds for Maduro's capture per se doesn't mean the operation was justified by just war principles. It wasn't. It takes more than just the fact that the ruler is tyrannical to justify an operation like this. Operations like this can risk civil war and all sorts of horrible fallout that also need to be considered. There must be a realistic plan following the removal of the tyrannical leader. As always, justice must be upheld always. And of course there are the procedural and legal aspects that Trump totally ignored."
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"id": "46507377",
"text": "I agree with you for the most part. The subtext to all of this is Maduro's close relationships with China and Russia of course."
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"id": "46505368",
"text": "Fascinating find and investigation. While there isn't a solid conclusion from it, glad it was written up, perhaps someone will be able to connect more dots with it."
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"id": "46505218",
"text": "What would be the result of this? I think it would route data through Sparkle as a way of potentially spying on internet traffic without having compromised the network equipment within Venezuela, but I'm not familiar enough with network architecture to really understand what happened."
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"id": "46505966",
"text": "Maybe there would be some benefit in just dropping some packets. For example to WhatsApp, Telegram, Gmail servers. Could add a communication delay that could be critical and denies people a fairly reliable fallback communication method."
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"id": "46506750",
"text": "The effect of this would be traffic from GlobeNet destined for Dayco would transit over CANTV's network for a period.\n\nI'm not sure why the author singled out Telecom Italia Sparkle."
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"id": "46506856",
"text": "For a length-15 ASpath to show up on the internet, a whole bunch of better routes need to disappear first, which seems to have happened here. But that disappearance is very likely unrelated to CANTV.\n\nFurthermore, BGP routes can get \"stuck\", if some device doesn't handle a withdrawal correctly… this can lead to odd routes like the ones seen here. Especially combined with the long path length and disappearance of better routes."
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"id": "46505122",
"text": "I wonder what kind of capabilities the US army didn't use during this operation."
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"id": "46505206",
"text": "BGP is so unsecure that almost anyone can create chaos."
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"id": "46505341",
"text": "Even by accident!"
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"id": "46505618",
"text": "or even by normal load from someone deciding to split a /8 prefix into /24's"
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"id": "46506376",
"text": "Most BGP peers have router filters in place. It's not 1996 anymore. I remember the days of logging into a Cisco connected to a Sprint T1 and seeing a coworker had fat fingered a spammer's route, sending it to null0. Oops. How did that happen?"
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"id": "46507265",
"text": "I worked as a contractor for a IoT gig that sold sim cards services for buses, trains et cetera.\n\nThe radio towers we used to access to obtain the accounting data (CDRs) all had the same very weak password."
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"id": "46505248",
"text": "Let’s be honest, that was a crazy operation. I wonder whether they really secured all chances of success, or just winged it with chances of not depositing the leader, and him being able to summon his diplomatic relations into 50 countries declaring war to the USA.\n\nWhile on their way out, if the USA could set everything back to IPv6, that would be nice."
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"id": "46505571",
"text": "The outcome is less-crazy if one views it as assisting a palace-coup, partnering with a bunch of Venezuelan government and military insiders already seeking to depose Maduro, able to subtly clear the path and provide intel."
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"id": "46505989",
"text": "P.S.: In that scenario, it's quite possible for both groups of conspirators to benefit from denying it and saber-rattling:\n\n* The (remaining) Venezuelan government gets to point to Big Evil America to unify (or crack-down-upon) an unhappy public, and they avoid being personally tarred as unpatriotic.\n\n* Trump et al. get to \"wag the dog\" as distraction from crimes and mismanagement back home."
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"id": "46505740",
"text": "> him being able to summon his diplomatic relations into 50 countries declaring war to the USA.\n\nAs if. Dictators only do things that benefit themselves, and deciding to attack the US is suicide and/or world ending."
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"id": "46505833",
"text": "Took a long time to catch up with Bin Laden after he attacked the US."
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"id": "46506508",
"text": "Let’s be realistic.\n\nNot easy to find one man in a haystack. Guerrilla warfare has always been insanely overpowered as a defense tactic anyways, as are terrorist attacks.\n\nThe US can realistically only be challenged militarily by Europe or Asia, assuming a unified continent, and the US is on the offensive. If it’s defensive, the US might put up a good fight against the rest of the planet ."
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"id": "46506010",
"text": "we don't really have a way to tell if it was even real, it would actually be a rather trivial operation for the government during those times and the entire thing could have just been overplayed and/or involved collaboration from all sides.\n\nnone of those documents exist since it was probably never documented to begin with so we will never know I guess."
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"id": "46506099",
"text": "No one would lift a finger for him. Russia just watched. The Chinese too. They may be allies in words but in the end each dictator just care about themselves. Just like how Trump wouldn’t help any ally unless he got something out of it."
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"id": "46508572",
"text": "Power wins in anarchy. International relations are anarchy. There is no actual international law."
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"id": "46506589",
"text": "Of course they didn't. While I can't imagine Russia is exactly happy that it lost an ally in the Western Hemisphere, this kind of action is very much aligned with Putin's multi-polar worldview where the great powers leave each other to play empire in their respective spheres of influence. It helps justify things like invading Ukraine. I can imagine some in the Chinese military are over the moon right now, taking notes on how to force regime change in Taiwan."
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"id": "46505504",
"text": "> While on their way out, if the USA could set everything back to IPv6, that would be nice.\n\nYou actually think the US would leave things better than they found them?"
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"id": "46505720",
"text": "Only when it's oil infrastructure."
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"id": "46506256",
"text": "They never ‘leave’ that."
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"id": "46507885",
"text": "If the system eats its own analysts, the doctrine question becomes moot."
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"id": "46507491",
"text": "I wonder if this can be monitored on a global scale as a sort of predictor of “something gonna happen at country X”."
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"id": "46507584",
"text": "There are BGP anomalies every day."
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"id": "46505350",
"text": "Alternative theory: Part of the operation caused power outages or disrupted some connections, the BGP anomalies were a result of that.\n\nThe data would make that more likely, because deliberately adding a longer route doesn't achieve much. It's not usually going to get any traffic."
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"id": "46505669",
"text": "The BGP anomalies were 24-hours~ before the power outage, so I'm not sure I follow what you're arguing."
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"id": "46505836",
"text": "What I mean is that cause and effect here could be different then the author thinks. We see some route changes, but those changes make no sense on their own since they wouldn't capture any traffic. That makes it more probable that BGP was not the attack, but that some other action caused this BGP anomalie as a side effect.\n\nFor example, maybe some misconfiguration caused these routes to be published because another route was lost. Which could very well be the actual cyber attack, or the effect of jamming, or breaking some undersea cable, or turning off the power to some place."
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"id": "46506332",
"text": "I think what the other commenter is saying is that the BGP changes happened 12 hours before any of the power loss/bomb drop, so that eliminates your primary cause."
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"id": "46507906",
"text": "Solid OSINT methodology here. The 10x AS path prepending is the most interesting detail to me b/c typically you'd see prepending used to de-prioritize a route, which raises the question: was this about making traffic avoid CANTV, or was it a side effect of something else?\n\nA few thoughts:\n- The affected prefixes (200.74.224.0/20 block → Dayco Telecom) hosting banks and ISPs feels significant. If you're doing pre-kinetic intelligence gathering, knowing the exact network topology and traffic patterns of critical infrastructure would be valuable. Even a few hours of passive collection through a controlled transit point could map out dependencies you'd want to understand before cutting power.\n- What's also notable is the transit path through Sparkle, which the author points out doesn't implement RPKI filtering. That's not an accident if you're planning something (you'd specifically choose providers with weaker validation).\n- The article stops short of drawing conclusions, which is the right call. BGP anomalies are common enough that correlation ≠ causation. But the timing and the specific infrastructure affected make this worth deeper analysis.\n\nWould love to see someone with access to more complete BGP table dumps do a before/after comparison of routing stability for Venezuelan prefixes in that window."
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"id": "46508332",
"text": "really?"
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"id": "46505454",
"text": "Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46499419"
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"id": "46505824",
"text": "Symbolic link to the Cloudflare RPKI status for CANTV.\n\n[1]: https://radar.cloudflare.com/routing/as8048ref=loworbitsecur..."
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"id": "46507680",
"text": "I never understood the (now decade old) argument of 'parts of the Internet cannot be shut down'\n\nClearly and empirically, BGP can shut off parts of the Internet, just as Trump wanted to do in 2015.\n\nhttps://finance.yahoo.com/news/dear-donald-trump-no-you-1322..."
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"id": "46508265",
"text": "Typical cyber warfare techniques."
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"id": "46507699",
"text": "The only anomaly was military. As far as I can tell, Venezuela's AD was shut down, or told to shut down.\n\nDidn't the US use Chinooks? They're supposed to be loud. And AD didn't take even one out.\n\nIf Venezuela as corrupt as most socialist countries, I have no doubt that someone in his inner circle gave him up.\n\nBack in the days of our version of socialism we had Indian politicians selling out for $100K, leave alone $50M."
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"id": "46505343",
"text": "Cyber-warfare capabilities on this level seem pretty horrific. What if you could simply turn off the power grid of Kyiv or Moscow in anticipation of a strike? That seems extremely disorientating. What if you could simply turn off the power grid indefinitely?"
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"id": "46505763",
"text": "Russia attacks Ukrainian power grid on a weekly basis. Not only with cyber-attacks but with actual bombs. Over Christmas 750k homes in Kyiv were without power or heating. This is not a hypothetical it's daily reality for millions of people in Ukraine."
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"id": "46505364",
"text": "> What if you could simply turn off the power grid of Kyiv or Moscow in anticipation of a strike?\n\nI expect every major world power has a plan to (attempt to) do precisely that to their enemies.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite_bomb\n\n> The US Navy used sea-launched Tomahawk missiles with Kit-2 warheads, involving reels of carbon fibers, in Iraq as part of Operation Desert Storm during the Gulf War in 1991, where it disabled about 85% of the electricity supply. The US Air Force used the CBU-94, dropped by F-117 Nighthawks, during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia on 2 May 1999, where it disabled more than 70% national grid electricity supply.\n\nI would not, however, take \"Trump said something\" as indicative of much. \"It was dark, the lights of Caracas were largely turned off due to a certain expertise that we have, it was dark, and it was deadly\" is both visibly untrue from the video evidence available, and is the precise sort of off-the-cuff low-fact statement he's prone to."
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"id": "46505516",
"text": "General Caine specifically said they utilized CYBERCOM (which is the US inter-branch hacking command) to pave the way for the special ops helicopters. I personally have no doubt that any (whether or not they all were) lights being out was due to a US hack. Some of the stuff that got blown up may well have been to prevent forensic recover of US tools and techniques."
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