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1. Thermodynamics of Space Cooling
Related: The most prevalent technical debate centers on the difficulty of dissipating heat in a vacuum. Users cite the Stefan-Boltzmann law to argue that radiative cooling is inefficient compared to convection on Earth. Comparisons are frequently made to the International Space Station's massive radiators relative to its low compute power, with critics calculating that cooling high-wattage GPU clusters would require unfeasibly large radiator surface areas.
2. Financial Engineering and Bailouts
Related: Many users characterize the merger as a mechanism to rescue investors in underperforming assets like xAI and X (Twitter). Commenters describe the move as a "shell game," "Ponzi scheme," or "financial gymnastics," comparing it to Tesla's previous acquisition of SolarCity. The consensus among these critics is that the deal consolidates debt and obfuscates losses by attaching them to the highly valued SpaceX brand.
3. Technical Feasibility of Maintenance
Related: A recurring critique involves the impossibility of repairing hardware in orbit. Commenters with data center experience note that components like RAM, SSDs, and GPUs fail frequently and require physical replacement. Critics argue that without human technicians, the economic model collapses due to the high cost of launching replacement satellites versus swapping parts in a terrestrial server farm.
4. Elon Musk's Track Record
Related: Opinions on Musk are polarized, serving as a proxy for trust in the proposal. Supporters point to the success of reusable rockets and Starlink as proof that he solves impossible problems. Detractors cite missed timelines for Full Self-Driving (FSD), the Hyperloop, and the Cybertruck, as well as the depreciation of Twitter's value, to argue that this new plan is merely another cycle of overpromising and hype.
5. Launch Economics and Starship
Related: The economic viability of the proposal hinges on the success of the Starship rocket. Supporters argue that fully reusable heavy-lift vehicles will reduce launch costs by orders of magnitude, making mass deployment feasible. Skeptics counter that even with reduced launch costs, the sheer mass required for cooling systems, shielding, and hardware makes space data centers far more expensive than terrestrial alternatives.
6. Solar Power: Space vs. Earth
Related: There is a debate regarding the efficiency of harvesting solar energy. Proponents highlight the 24/7 availability of stronger sunlight in space. Critics argue that the atmosphere only absorbs a fraction of solar energy and that it is exponentially cheaper to build solar farms and battery storage on Earth, utilizing existing land like deserts or cornfields, rather than launching infrastructure into orbit.
7. National Security and Government
Related: Users discuss the implications of SpaceX being a critical defense contractor and "too big to fail." Concerns are raised about Musk's political involvement and potential conflicts of interest, with some suggesting that the government might eventually intervene or nationalize the company if its financial stability is threatened by merging with riskier ventures like xAI.
8. Radiation and Hardware Hardening
Related: Technical discussions highlight the destructive effect of cosmic rays and solar wind on electronics. Commenters note that "space-grade" hardware is typically older, slower, and much more expensive due to radiation hardening requirements. Using modern, high-performance consumer GPUs in space without massive shielding is viewed by many as a recipe for rapid hardware failure and data corruption.
9. IPO and Valuation Strategy
Related: The timing of the announcement relative to a potential SpaceX IPO is a major theme. Users speculate that the merger is intended to pump up the valuation of the combined entity to meme-stock levels or to allow private investors in xAI to cash out onto public market retail investors. The move is seen by some as a strategy to justify a trillion-dollar valuation.
10. Tesla and EV Market Context
Related: The discussion spills over into Tesla's performance, citing BYD overtaking Tesla in sales and the stagnation of EV lineups. Commenters wonder if Tesla will eventually be merged into the conglomerate to hide declining automotive margins, and whether Musk is pivoting to AI and space because the car business is becoming less dominant.
11. Space Manufacturing and Moon Bases
Related: Comments address the specific claims about building factories on the Moon and using mass drivers. While some see this as a visionary step toward a Kardashev Type II civilization, others dismiss it as science fiction fantasy that ignores the immense logistical and energetic costs of establishing lunar industry compared to solving problems on Earth.
12. Latency and Data Transmission
Related: The utility of space-based compute is questioned regarding latency. While some users suggest it could work for batch training or inference where lag isn't critical, others argue that the speed of light limits the utility for real-time applications. The challenge of beaming high-bandwidth data back to Earth via optical links is also debated.
13. Geopolitics and China
Related: Comparisons are made between the US commercial space sector and China's state-backed progress. Users discuss China's dominance in renewables and EV manufacturing (BYD) and their developing space capabilities, suggesting that the US needs companies like SpaceX to maintain a strategic edge, regardless of the financial maneuvering involved.
14. Environmental Impact of Space Junk
Related: Concerns are raised about the debris and pollution resulting from thousands of launches and de-orbiting satellites. Users mention the accumulation of aluminum oxide in the upper atmosphere from burning satellites and the risk of Kessler syndrome (cascading collisions) rendering low Earth orbit unusable.
15. Twitter/X Financial Health
Related: The financial state of X (formerly Twitter) is frequently cited as the root cause of the merger. Commenters speculate that the debt load from the Twitter acquisition is unsustainable, necessitating a bailout via the cash-rich or high-valuation SpaceX entity to prevent a collapse that would hurt Musk's reputation and net worth.
16. Radiator Design and Physics
Related: Detailed sub-threads explore specific engineering solutions for cooling, such as pyramidal shapes to keep radiators in shadow, ammonia loops, and droplet radiators. While some users provide calculations to show it is theoretically possible, others argue that the mass penalties for these systems destroy the economic case.
17. Public vs. Private Sector Efficiency
Related: A philosophical debate emerges regarding whether private companies like SpaceX allocate capital better than government agencies like NASA. Some argue that private industry innovates faster, while others contend that the profit motive leads to dangerous cost-cutting, financial fraud, and misallocation of resources into hype cycles.
18. AI Capability and Compute Demand
Related: The actual demand for space-based AI is questioned. Users ask why AI specifically needs to be in space versus other workloads, concluding that it is simply a buzzword attachment to drive investment. Doubts are cast on whether xAI's models (Grok) are competitive enough to warrant such massive infrastructure investment.
19. Legal and Regulatory Arbitrage
Related: Some users suggest that placing data centers in space or international waters is an attempt to bypass data privacy laws, copyright regulations, or environmental restrictions that apply to terrestrial data centers. This is viewed as a feature by some libertarian-leaning commenters and a danger by others.
20. Resource Utilization and Scarcity
Related: The argument that Earth is running out of land or energy for data centers is challenged. Commenters point out that the Earth has vast amounts of non-arable land (deserts) and that local power constraints are political or infrastructural distribution issues rather than fundamental limits that require going to space.
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"id": "46866972",
"text": "Not sure why this is downvoted. Much cheaper to transfer data than energy."
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"text": "If we (as in \"civilization\") were able to produce that many solar panels, we should cover all the deserts with them. It will also shift the local climate balance towards a more habitable ecosystem, enabling first vegetation and then slowly growing the rest of the food chain."
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"text": "> It will also shift the local climate balance towards a more habitable ecosystem, enabling first vegetation and then slowly growing the rest of the food chain.\n\nDepends on the deserts in question and knock-on effects: Saharan Dust Feeds Amazon’s Plants.\n\n* https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/goddard/nasa-sat...\n\nHelping vegetation in one place to grow may hinder it somewhere else. How important this is still appears to be an open question:\n\n* https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-020-00071-w\n\nI'm not sure if humans are wise enough yet to try 'geo-hacking' (we're already messing things up: see carbon dumping)."
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"text": "for solar panels that are say 25% efficient, that means 75% of optical energy is turned into heat, whereas the sand had a relatively high albedo, its going to significantly heat up the local environment!"
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"id": "46868485",
"text": "That is not what 25% efficiency means for solar panels."
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"id": "46869061",
"text": "care to expand on your comment? or are is this just remarking that some light was reflected?"
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"id": "46869156",
"text": "No. It is enough for me to see such a single ridiculous statement of such magnitude to discount the rest of your voluminous contributions to this thread."
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"text": "I'm dumbfounded, most light incident on a solar panel is not reflected, so logically photons were absorbed, some generated useful electron hole pairs pushing current around the load loop, others recombined and produced heat.\n\nIts an entirely reasonable position in solar panel discussions to say that a 20% solar panel will heat as if 80% of the optical energy incident on the panel was turned into heat. Conservation of energy dictates that the input energy must equal the sum of the output work (useful energy) and output heat.\n\nNot sure what you are driving at here, and just calling a statement ridiculous does not explain your position."
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"text": "You have not done any real world verification on any of this, you are arguing from a very flawed and overly simplistic lay-persons theoretical model of how solar panels must function in space and then you draw all kinds of conclusions from that model, none of which have been born out by experiment. 25% efficiency for a solar panel means that 25% of the sunlight incident on a panel was turned into electricity. It has nothing to do with how big a fraction is turned into heat, though obviously the more of it is turned into electricity the less there is available to be converted into heat. And it does not account for other parts of the spectrum that are outside of the range that the panel can capture.\n\nThat 25% is peak efficiency. It does not take into account:\n\n(1) the temperature of the panel (higher temp->lower efficiency), hence the need for passive cooling of the panels in space due to a lack of working fluid (air).\n\n(2) the angle of the incidence: both angles have to be 'perfect' for that 25% to happen, which in practice puts all kinds of constraints on orientation, especially when coupled with requirements placed on the rest of the satellite.\n\n(3) the effects of aging (which can be considerable, especially in space), for instance, due to solar wind particles, thermal cycling and so on\n\n(4) the effect of defects in the panels causing local failure that can cascade across strings of cells and even strings of panels\n\n(5) the effects of the backing and the glass\n\n(6) in space: the damage over time due to mechanical effects of micro meteorite impact on cells and cover; these can affect the panels both mechanically and electrically\n\nTo minimize all of these effects (which affect both operational life span of panels as well as momentary yield) and effectively to pretend they do not exist is proof that you are clueless, and yet you make these (loud) proclamations. Gell-Mann had something to say about this, so now your other contributions suffer from de-rating."
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"text": "1) yes solar panels should be cooled, but this is feasible with thermal radiation (yes it takes surface area)\n\n2) pointing the panels straight at the sun for a sun-synchronous orbit is not exactly unobtainium technology\n\n3) through 6) agreed, these issues need to be taken into account but I don't see how that meaningfully invalidates my claim that a solar panel operated at 25% efficiency turns ballpark ~75% of incident photons into heat. Thats basic thermodynamics."
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"id": "46869232",
"text": "http://english.scio.gov.cn/m/chinavoices/2025-10/23/content_...\n\nIn your opinion, how credible is this story?"
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"id": "46870509",
"text": "OK I read the story (it was shorten than expected).\n\nSo simplistically put there are 3 periods:\n\n1) the grassy period before overgrazing, lot of wind\n\n2) the overgrazed period, loss of moisture retained by plants and loss of root systems, lot of wind results in soil run-away erosion without sufficient root systems\n\n3) the solar PV period: at higher heights still lots of wind, but the installation of the panels unexpectedly allowed the grass to regrow, because wind erosion is halted.\n\nThe PV panels actually increase the local heating, but that doesn't need to directly equate to temperature: the wind just carried away the heat so it's someone else's problem :). Also the return of soil moisture thanks to the plants means a return of a sensible heat buffer, so the high temperature in the overgrazed period before solar panel introduction may not actually be an average temperature increase, but an increase in peak temperature during the summer. Imagine problematic summer temperatures, everybody would be talking about the increased temperature, when they are really just experiencing the loss of a heat buffer.\n\nAt least thats my impression from the story."
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"id": "46870278",
"text": "I am unable to access this site, if you could mirror the page I will take a look.\n\nEDIT: found it on the Internet Archive:\n\nhttps://web.archive.org/web/20251208110913/http://english.sc...\n\nI will come back and give you my opinions."
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"id": "46864821",
"text": "You really can't grasp that GPUs scaled at this level is the most ambitious thing possible? That it will be the foundation of unfathomable technological innovation?"
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"id": "46869226",
"text": "\"In space\" is the new blockchain."
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"id": "46871754",
"text": "Every time I hear stuff like this I think of Tim Curry just barely keeping it together during that one cut scene in Red Alert 3, except this time it's the ultra capitalists trying to corrupt space with capitalism.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM"
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"id": "46865114",
"text": "Will it, though?"
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"id": "46865184",
"text": "Perhaps parent was being sarcastic."
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"id": "46871071",
"text": "no"
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"id": "46870436",
"text": "> the most ambitious thing possible\n\nreally?"
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"id": "46870175",
"text": "Do we need rockets to put satelittes to the space? Cant it be done with baloons? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFieAD5Gpms"
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"id": "46870260",
"text": "Balloons work by displacing the atmosphere (mostly nitrogen with some oxygen) with something lighter (helium or hydrogen). This causes buoyancy, and makes the balloon rise.\n\nThis only works so long as the atmosphere being displaced weighs more than the balloon plus the payload. As soon as the air gets thin enough that the weight of the balloon+payload is equal to the weight of the air that would fill the volume of the balloon, then it stops rising. (Or, more likely the balloon rips open because it expanded farther than it could stretch).\n\nUsually, this is really high in the atmosphere, but it's definitely not space.\n\nThis is all ignoring that orbit requires going sideways really, really fast (so fast, actually, that it requires falling, but going sideways so fast that the earth curves away and you miss)."
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"id": "46870641",
"text": "\"Space\" aka Orbit, is done not by going high, but by going fast."
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"id": "46865305",
"text": "Honestly, there's not a lot else I can think of if your goal is find some practical and profitable way to take advantage of relatively cheap access to near-Earth space. Communication is a big one, but Starlink is already doing that.\n\nOne of the things space has going for it is abundant cheap energy in the form of solar power. What can you do with megawatts of power in space though? What would you do with it? People have thought about beaming it back to Earth, but you'd take a big efficiency hit.\n\nAI training needs lots of power, and it's not latency sensitive. That makes it a good candidate for space-based compute.\n\nI'm willing to believe it's the best low-hanging fruit at the moment. You don't need any major technological advances to build a proof-of-concept. Whether it's possible for this to work well enough that it's actually cheaper than an equivalent terrestrial datacenter now or in the near future is something I can't answer."
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"id": "46866099",
"text": "You don't need any major technological advances to build a proof-of-concept\n\nYou do - cooling those datacenters in space is an unsolved problem."
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"id": "46867004",
"text": "Sure it is, just not economically at that scale yet. But if Starship brings the cost to orbit down significantly, maybe."
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"id": "46866370",
"text": "We have radiators on the ISS. Even if you kept the terrible performance of those ancient radiator designs (regularly exposed to sunlight, simplistic ammonia coolant, low temperature) you could just make them bigger and radiate the needed energy. Yes it would require a bit of engineering but to call it an \"unsolved problem\" is just exaggerating."
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"id": "46866583",
"text": "It's a solved problem. The physics is simply such that it's really inefficient.\n\n> ... we'd need a system 12.5 times bigger, i.e., roughly 531 square metres, or about 2.6 times the size of the relevant solar array. This is now going to be a very large satellite, dwarfing the ISS in area, all for the equivalent of three standard server racks on Earth.\n\nhttps://taranis.ie/datacenters-in-space-are-a-terrible-horri...\n\nThe gist of it is that about 99% of cooling on earth works by cold air molecules (or water) bumping into hot ones, and transferring heat. There's no air in space, so you need a radiator 99x larger than you would down here. That adds up real fast."
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"id": "46867585",
"text": "That’s the secret plan - cover LEO with solar cells and radiators, limiting sunlight on the ground, rendering ground base solar ineffective, cool earth and create more demand for heating; then sell expensive space electricity at a huge premium. Genius!"
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"id": "46869469",
"text": "I think you may be thinking of cooling to habitable temperatures (20c). You can run GPUs at 70c , so radiative cooling density goes up exponentially. You should need about 1/3 of the array in radiators."
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"id": "46869079",
"text": "A really painfully laboured way of just saying conduction."
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"id": "46865902",
"text": "Bezos has been pushing manufacturing-in-space for a long time, as a ideal candidate for what to do in space that you might prefer to not do on Earth. Robotics, AI automation, manufacturing - combo it in space, let the robots manufacture for us in space. Abundant energy, low concerns about most forms of pollution. We'll need to dramatically improve our ability to transit mass to and from cheaply first of course (we're obviously talking many decades into the future)."
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"id": "46866133",
"text": "That is a fun thought experiment, as we wouldn't want to manufacture too far away from earth we may still be within the earth's atmosphere. I wonder what effect dumping greenhouse gases into the very upper levels of the atmosphere would have in comparison to doing it lower down. My assumption is it would eventually sink to a lower density layer, having more or less the same impact."
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"id": "46866876",
"text": "> Bezos has been pushing manufacturing-in-space for a long time, as a ideal candidate for what to do in space that you might prefer to not do on Earth. Robotics, AI automation, manufacturing - combo it in space, let the robots manufacture for us in space.\n\nLOL, this seems so far off from the reality of what manufacturing looks like in reality.\n- sending raw materials up there\n- service technicians are necessary ALL THE TIME, in fully automated production lines\n- sending stuff back down\n\nMaybe I lack vision, but data centers in space is a 1000x times better idea and that is already a terrible idea."
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"id": "46868618",
"text": "Space manufacturing is a real thing, there are already companies trialling it. The factory is small, satellite sized, and it deorbits when the manufacturing run is done. The results are protected enough for them to be picked up from Earth.\n\nThe justification (today) is that you can do very exotic things in zero-G that aren't possible on Earth. Growing ultra-pure crystals and fibre optics and similar."
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"id": "46868956",
"text": "Ok, that I might buy. If there is a product one can build in zero-G that one cannot build on earth. Especially something like growing crystalls. Sure. But trying to compete with something that can just as well be build on earth on the premise that it will be cheaper to do the same thing just in space is insane.\n\nIt's the same issue that I have with data centers in space. I don't think there is any big technical hurdle to send a GPU rack into space and run it there. The problem is that I have a hard time to believe it is cheaper to run a datacenter in space. When you have to compete solely on cost, it will super hard."
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"id": "46869012",
"text": "I don't think it's insane. It might not work or be competitive but it's not obviously insane.\n\nIn a frictionless economy governed by spherical cows it'd be insane. But back here on Earth, AI is heavily bottlenecked by the refusal or inability of the supply chain to scale up. They think AI firms are in a bubble and will collapse, so don't want to be bag holders. A very sane concern indeed. But it does mean that inferencing (the bit that makes money) is constantly saturated even with the industry straining every sinew to build out capacity.\n\nOne bottleneck is TSMC. Not much that can be done about that. The other is the grid. Grid equipment manufacturers and CCGT makers like Siemens aren't spinning up extra manufacturing capacity, again because they fear being bag holders when Altman runs out of cash. Then you have massive interconnection backlogs, environmentalists attacking you and other practical problems.\n\nIs it easier to get access to stable electricity supplies in space? It's not inconceivable. At the very least, in space Elon controls the full stack with nearly no regulations getting in the way after launch - it's a pure engineering problem of the sort SpaceX are good at. If he needs more power he can just build it, he doesn't have to try and convince some local government utility to scale up or give him air permits to run generators. In space, nobody can hear you(r GPUs) scream."
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"id": "46871075",
"text": "Building nuclear-powered and solar powered datacenters in places with low population density will still be cheaper. Do you think Mongolian government won't allow China to build datacenters if the price is right?"
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"id": "46871389",
"text": "It might be easier in China but that doesn't help Elon or Americans.\n\nSolar powered datacenters on Earth don't make sense to me. The GPUs are so expensive you want to run them 24/7 and power cycling them stresses the components a lot so increases failure rate. Once it boots up you need to keep the datacenter powered, you can't shut it down at night. Maybe for CPU datacenters solar power can make sense sometimes, but not for AI at the moment.\n\nNuclear is super hard and expensive to build. It probably really is easier to put servers in space than build nuclear."
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"id": "46867019",
"text": "The show For All Mankind kind-of hinted at how the labor problem would be solved: recruit like the military and promise huge bonuses that will probably not be realized because space is risky business"
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"id": "46868087",
"text": "Well you see, what you do is send a bunch of humanoid robots up there to do all the work.\n\n(please don't ask what we do when those break down)"
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"id": "46867502",
"text": "I think it makes more sense if you invert the manufacturing cycle.\n\nAutomated asteroid mining, and asteroid harvesting, are potential areas where we have strong tech, a reasonable pure automation story, and huge financial upsides. Trillion dollar asteroids... If we’re sourcing metals out there, and producing for orbital operations or interplanetary shenanigans, the need for computing and automation up there emerges.\n\nAnd I imagine for the billionaire investor class now is the window to make those kinds of plays. A whole set of galactic robber barons is gonna be crowned, and orbital automation is critical to deciding who that is."
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"id": "46868204",
"text": ">>sending raw materials up there\n\nThat's what asteroid mining is for.\n\n>>service technicians are necessary ALL THE TIME\n\nOptimus is already very well tele-operated. Even though over time it can likely be trained to do specific tasks far better than even humans."
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"id": "46871858",
"text": "> Optimus is already very well tele-operated\n\nIt can't even serve popcorn in a diner."
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"id": "46869266",
"text": "> That's what asteroid mining is for.\n\nIt’s not necessarily cheaper energetically to get stuff from an asteroid than from Earth. You’d have to accelerate stuff from a wildly different orbit, and then steer it and slow it down. Metric tonnes of stuff. It’s not physically impossible, but it is wildly expensive (in pure energy terms, not even talking about money) and completely impractical with current technology. We just don’t have engines capable of doing this outside the atmosphere."
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"id": "46868373",
"text": "> That's what asteroid mining is for.\n\nI think you might have no sense of what it takes to go from a raw mined material to something that can be used in a factory. I am not saying it cannot be done. I am just saying it cannot be done in a way that is cheaper than on earth."
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"id": "46867433",
"text": "When Bezos first mentioned drone delivery, many intelligent, serious people laughed at it and accused of Bezos running out of ideas as Amazon was stagnant"
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"id": "46867624",
"text": "Hate to say this, but manufacturing bitcoin would make the most sense. And hard to see how even that would work."
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"id": "46866418",
"text": "But everyone is crazy about GPU’s right now. Why not ride that wave for extra investment? All the benefits transfer to all the other things we can do with it."
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"id": "46867801",
"text": "The data centers in space is 100% about Golden Dome,\n\nhttps://wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dome_(missile_defense_syst..."
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