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1. BGP Technical Analysis
Related: Discussion of AS path prepending, route leaks, traffic engineering practices, whether CANTV's routing behavior was normal or suspicious, and how BGP anomalies are typically caused by misconfigurations rather than attacks
2. Nuclear Deterrence Theory
Related: Extensive debate about whether nuclear weapons would have prevented the Venezuela operation, MAD doctrine, credible second-strike capability, the importance of nuclear triads, and whether small countries should pursue nuclear programs
3. Nuclear Proliferation Incentives
Related: Arguments that the Venezuela operation demonstrates the value of nuclear weapons for deterrence, comparisons to Ukraine giving up nukes, North Korea's strategy, and predictions of increased proliferation
4. DNS HTTPS Record Type
Related: Technical discussion about HTTPS DNS record types, Encrypted Client Hello (ECH), TLS 1.3, and how browsers detect HTTP3 support through DNS queries
5. North Korea's Nuclear Strategy
Related: Analysis of DPRK's nuclear program as rational deterrence, their underground bunkers, relationship with China, and comparison to other nuclear states' capabilities
6. Operation Logistics and Planning
Related: Speculation about whether the Venezuela operation was negotiated, involved insider help, palace coup assistance, and military planning details
7. EU Response and Weakness
Related: Criticism of European passivity toward U.S. aggression, calls for European nuclear deterrent, discussion of EU's political disunity and inability to respond effectively
8. Greenland and Canada Threats
Related: Concerns about Trump administration threatening Denmark over Greenland, potential for similar operations against allies, NATO Article 5 implications
9. Cyber Warfare Capabilities
Related: Discussion of CYBERCOM involvement, power grid attacks, comparison to Stuxnet, and the terrifying implications of state-level cyber attacks
10. Venezuela Military Resistance
Related: Questions about why Venezuelan air defenses didn't respond, speculation about corruption and insider betrayal, comparison of military capabilities
11. Chain of Command for Nukes
Related: Debate about whether nuclear launch orders would be followed for an unpopular leader, palace coups, and the human element in nuclear deterrence
12. Pakistan Nuclear Contingencies
Related: U.S. military planning for Pakistan scenarios, survivability of nuclear arsenals, and limitations of nuclear deterrence without proper safeguards
13. International Law Violations
Related: Discussion of sovereignty, just war principles, legitimacy of intervention against dictators, and international community response to U.S. actions
14. Trump Administration Claims
Related: Skepticism about Trump's statements regarding the operation, his history of leaking capabilities, and questionable accuracy of his technical claims
15. Russia-China Response
Related: Analysis of why Russia and China didn't defend Maduro, their actual relationship with Venezuela, and what this means for other authoritarian allies
16. Iran Air Defense Failure
Related: Discussion of Israeli strikes on Iran, how air defenses were disabled through sabotage and cyber warfare, lessons for other countries
17. Cloudflare Radar Data
Related: Technical discussion of using Cloudflare's BGP monitoring tools, route leak detection, and publicly available BGP datasets for analysis
18. Continuity of Government
Related: Historical analysis of U.S. bunker programs, airborne command posts, comparison to North Korean bunker strategy
19. HN Moderation and Politics
Related: Meta-discussion about downvoting, flagging of political comments, perceived bias in moderation, and astroturfing accusations
20. Traffic Engineering Legitimacy
Related: Technical argument that AS prepending is common practice for traffic management and the anomalies may be entirely routine
0. Does not fit well in any category
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"id": "46506477",
"text": "No no no, some random American diplomat told a random Soviet diplomat during the East Germany negotiations that NATO wouldn't extend east at all.\n\nNo, it wasn't put on paper anywhere.\n\nNo, it wasn't mentioned (much) when the countries of eastern Europe all chomped at the bit to join NATO in the 90s.\n\nNo, it completely makes the Budapest Memorandum bunk.\n\nNo, the people of Ukraine absolutely do not have the agency to want to pivot towards the EU and become wealthy and stable like the former Warsaw Pact countries did. It must have been the CIA, so Budapest is bunk again!\n\n(and other lies the war apologists tell themselves)"
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"id": "46506396",
"text": "To be the devil's advocate, I don't think Russia foresaw a situation that had Ukraine looking to join NATO right after NATO had been used offensively for the first time ever to put its thumb on the scale of a civil war that didn't involve NATO countries."
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"id": "46506556",
"text": "s/devil/putin/"
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"id": "46506772",
"text": "Sure, but I think these discussions are more enlightening when we model superpowers as rational actors within their ideological system rather than just whatever propaganda is locally convenient."
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"id": "46506666",
"text": "Not much of a change, TBF."
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"id": "46506040",
"text": "Even setting aside that Ukraine never had the technical means or infrastructure to operate/maintain those weapons, I don't think they would have dissuaded Russia or actually been used. Russia could turn them into a wasteland in response and 6 million people (including hundreds of thousands of men of military age) weren't even willing to stay in Ukraine, much less fight for the country. If Zelensky were to give an order to launch hypothetical nukes, I'd think there would have been a coup and no launch."
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"id": "46506453",
"text": "You don't think that Ukraine, the country that designed and built those ICBMs, and had one of the highest per capita counts of nuclear physicists could handle at least a few decades of upkeep on those nukes?\n\nAnd the point of nukes isn't to launch them. By then you've already lost, you're just making good on your offer to make the other shmuck lose too."
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"id": "46507166",
"text": "> the country that designed and built those ICBMs, and had one of the highest per capita counts of nuclear physicists could handle at least a few decades of upkeep on those nukes?\n\nThey don't even need that. They just needed ambiguity.\n\nUkraine absolutely fucked up giving up its nukes, that's abundantly clear with the benefit of hindsight."
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"id": "46506294",
"text": "The idea that a nation state could not make use of the hundreds of nuclear weapons in its territory is just absurd. It's sillier than the people that think disk encryption will spare them the crowbar to the face. Beyond the whole chauvinistic idea that it was \"Russians\" that built them in the first place."
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"id": "46506382",
"text": "Zelensky is far too concerned with the human costs of war to use nukes, even if he could. He doesn’t have a napoleon complex."
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"id": "46507443",
"text": "Human costs of war is precisely the reason to use nukes."
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"id": "46506049",
"text": "Why not?\n\nRussia invades. Ukraine launches nukes. Every major city in Ukraine is ash. Several major cities in Russia are ash. Millions die plausibly.\n\nThat scenario is not what would happen from an invasion.\n\nZelensky would not have used nukes to prompt the death of millions instantly. He would have proceeded with the same defensive war.\n\nThe false premise rests on: it's better for everyone to die than live under Russian occupation. That would overwhelmingly be chosen false by the population in question that is being invaded.\n\nAll those people that lived under Soviet Russia occupation, they were better off dead in nuclear fire than living under said occupation? Obviously not what the masses would have chosen (just look at what they did choose to do while living under Russian occupation - how many gave up their lives to fight back?). It's fundamentally why nuclear weapons as deterrant is largely fraudulent. They're solely viable as a last option against total oblivion at the hands of an enemy: it entails everyone dies, which means there has to be a good enough reason for everyone to die to justify use."
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"id": "46506159",
"text": "> All those people that lived under Soviet Russia occupation, they were better off dead in nuclear fire than living under said occupation?\n\nAs someone from a country that used to be under russia n boot - the fireball is preferable."
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"id": "46506272",
"text": "This isn’t how nukes would get used. They wouldn’t just fire them at cities to start with. It would most likely be something tactical, but perhaps end up escalating to insanity anyway"
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"id": "46506512",
"text": "You don't leave room to escalate beyond use if nukes anymore. Russia's response to a tactical nuke would be to turn Ukraine into glass. All leaving additional escalation on the table does is make sure that you don't make good on your word to make everyone lose too."
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"id": "46507176",
"text": "> You don't leave room to escalate beyond use if nukes anymore. Russia's response to a tactical nuke would be to turn Ukraine into glass\n\nTactical nukes are in ambiguous territory. Russia launching a blizzard of nukes at Ukraine is difficult to distinguish from Russia nuking NATO. To turn Ukraine into glass, Russia would need to gamble that Washington and France trust it."
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"id": "46507361",
"text": "Sure, but that practically looks like Russia telling NATO what it's going to do, then most of NATO sitting at DEFCON 1 and being ready to respond the instant any Russian missiles look like they're not going towards Ukraine. NATO has no reason to inject themselves into a nuclear exchange more than diplomatically, and has the ability to respond well after they know where Russian missiles are going to land."
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"id": "46507574",
"text": "> that practically looks like Russia telling NATO what it's going to do\n\nWhich is indistinguishable from a Russian first strike. Russia glassing Ukraine is about as rational as it launching a first strike. So serious people would have to weigh–based on incomplete information–whether Putin is still in charge and if tens of millions of lives might be saved if we neutralise their silos first.\n\nOutside nuclear holocaust, Russia, on launching a strategic nuclear strike on Ukraine, would have crossed a red line Beijing, New Delhi and Tehran each value. (The last because Russia's justification for glassing Ukraine is easily copy-pasted by Israel.)"
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"id": "46507694",
"text": "> Which is indistinguishable from a Russian first strike.\n\nIt's really not. Once they've launched, it's pretty clear where they're going. All NATO needs is enough time to respond, and they absolutely have that.\n\n> Outside nuclear holocaust, Russia, on launching a strategic nuclear strike on Ukraine, would have crossed a red line Beijing, New Delhi and Tehran each value. (The last because Russia's justification for glassing Ukraine is easily copy-pasted by Israel.)\n\nIf you look, their nuclear policy is to respond overwhelmingly to a nuclear strike. India for instance has officially said they \"will not be the first to initiate a nuclear first strike, but will respond with punitive retaliation should deterrence fail\". https://web.archive.org/web/20091205231912/http://www.indian... That's diplomatic speak for 'we reserve the right to glass you after any nuclear strikes in our territory'."
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"id": "46506466",
"text": "Or, MAD means that neither a nuke launch or an invasion happen in the first place."
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"id": "46506724",
"text": "Your comment highlights some tensions in deterrence theory, but it also oversimplifies over a few things.\n\nIf you notice, most countries with nuclear weapons also have published and publicized nuclear use policies. These documents usually highlight lines and conditions under which they will consider the use of nuclear weapons. This is by design. Ambiguity in nuclear policy invites miscalculation. Of course, you don't want complete certainty, lest you risk your enemy push right up to your line and no further; you want your lines defined, but a little blurry, so that the enemy is afraid to approach, much less cross. This is called strategic ambiguity. This is why Russia has been criticized a lot by policy experts for their repeated nuclear saber-rattling. They're making the line too blurry, and so Ukraine and their allies risk crossing that line accidentally, triggering something nobody truly wants to trigger.\n\nIn the case of a nuclear-armed Ukraine, given Russia's tendency to like to take over neighboring countries, they could include \"threats to territorial integrity\" as a threshold for going nuclear. They could also be a little more 'reasonable' and include \"existential threat to the state\" - which the initial 2022 invasion very much would fit.\n\nWhat this looks like in practice is that Russia, in their calculations, would factor in the risk of triggering a nuclear response if they tried to take Ukrainian territory. Now, they may believe, as you seem to, that Ukraine would not risk the annihilation of its people over Crimea/Donbas. At which point, Russia would invade, and then Ukraine would have to decide. If Ukraine does not escalate, then they will lose deterrence and credibility for any future conflicts, assuming they survive as a state. If Ukraine does escalate, announces to Russia they will launch a nuclear attack to establish deterrence (reducing ambiguity that this is a full nuclear exchange), and then launches a single low-yield nuke at Russian invading troops, they place the ball back in Russia's court: Ukraine is clearly willing to employ nukes in this war - do you believe they won't escalate further, or do you believe they will launch their full arsenal if you continue?\n\nThis is essentially a simplified version of deterrence theory. The idea is to give the other side all possible opportunities to de-escalate and prevent a full nuclear exchange. If you do not back up your policy with actual teeth - by using nukes when you said you would - you're signalling something very dangerous.\n\nThis is also why nuclear-armed states do not tend to rely solely on their nuclear deterrence. They want a solid layer of conventional capabilities before they have to resort to their proverbial nuclear button. A strong conventional force keeps conflicts below the nuclear threshold, where deterrence theory tends to get very dangerous, very fast."
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"id": "46507188",
"text": "> Ambiguity in nuclear policy invites miscalculation\n\nMost nuclear doctrines are ambiguous by design. (\"Reserve the right,\" et cetera .)"
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"id": "46506198",
"text": ">The false premise rests on: it's better for everyone to die than live under Russian occupation. That would overwhelmingly be chosen false by the population in question that is being invaded.\n\nWell, Russian occupation usually means your town slowly undergoes mass extermination and genocide....\n\nso yes? nuclear fireball is potentially preferred"
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"id": "46505674",
"text": "If having nuclear weapons did anything at all to prevent cyber attacks, the US would not be getting constantly victimized by cyber attacks."
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"id": "46505731",
"text": "I think \"this kind of operation\" refers to the entire \"we bombed your capital and stole your President\" thing, not just the cyber component of it.\n\nIt seems extraordinarily unlikely we'd have attempted such a thing if Venezuela had nukes."
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"id": "46505782",
"text": "Probably, but there is also some speculation usa had help on the inside, so it probably depends on the nature and pervasiveness of that help."
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"id": "46505799",
"text": "I agree with that speculation, but if you keep your launch chain of command short enough (as the US does), nukes can also be a deterrent to a palace coup; doubly so for a foreign-backed one."
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"id": "46506611",
"text": "There's still a lot of information coming out, a lot of it conflicting, so that's hard to say.\n\nAnd frankly, the Venezuelan military is absolutely tiny and has been facing the same economic issues as the rest of the country. They have 24 F-16s, but rumor is none of them work anymore, maybe some SU-30s, but those would be shot down pretty much as soon as they were scrambled. There was pretty heavy bombing before hand to knock out AA. And they bombed Chavez's tomb, which is quite a dick move of there wasn't any AA there; blowing up a graveyard for shits and giggles on an op is some shit even cartels have a little bit more respect than to do.\n\nIDK, the whole thing seems like equally could have been mostly what it says on the tin, with no more than the normal intelligence HUMINT/SIGINT/*INT cloak and dagger crap to have the right intelligence."
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"id": "46505742",
"text": "I think by \"this kind of operation\" he means extrajudicially removing a sitting president (legitimate or not) of another country for trial elsewhere. Not cyber attack or espionage."
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"id": "46505849",
"text": "Oh, so the commenter is not actually talking about the BGP anomalies at all? He's just hijacking the comment section to advocate for nuclear proliferation?"
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"id": "46505916",
"text": "What? That is awful logic."
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"id": "46506392",
"text": "Cool, but outside the scope of the TFA.\n\nTry, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46473348 ."
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"id": "46507114",
"text": "the popular conspiracy theory among Russian opposition is that Maduro exit was negotiated, so he will do small time at a Fed club and would preserve significant amount of his money (at least couple hundreds of millions), and after completing the time will end up with his money in Russia/Belarussia.\n\nWe can see that nobody was going to resist the operation in Venezuela, so it doesn't really matter that Venezuela doesn't have nukes. Using nukes isn't just a matter of pressing a button, it involves a lot of people and processes - thus any significant opposition inside the force or just widespread sabotage will make it unusable."
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"id": "46507645",
"text": "It strikes me as completely possible that the exit was negotiated. The fact that they knew his exact location and \"luckily\" nabbed him right before he went into some kind of panic room / bunker is certainly... something.\n\nBut it seems equally likely to me that he was sold out by somebody in the VZ government/military. And that the paltry military resistance was because they saw direct confrontation with the US as suicidal."
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"id": "46507763",
"text": "I think it is kind of both - the exit was ultimately negotiated because most of the VZ government/military either sold him or at least abandoned him and shown no interest in any further support of him."
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"id": "46505988",
"text": "Nuclear deterrent is absurd.\n\nYou have to assume everyone is willing to die over every single thing short of obliteration.\n\nSo what's the scenario then? Venezuela has nukes. The US abducts Maduro. Venezuela launches its nukes, everyone dies on both sides. Please, explain that laughable premise. Everyone in Venezuela dies for Maduro? Go on, explain it, I'll wait.\n\nBack in reality: Venezuela has nukes. The US abducts Maduro. Venezuela shakes its fists at the sky, threatens nuclear hell fire. Nothing happens. Why? The remaining leadership of Venezuela does not in fact want to die for Maduro."
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"id": "46506472",
"text": "> So what's the scenario then? Venezuela has nukes. The US abducts Maduro. Venezuela launches its nukes, everyone dies on both sides.\n\nUS attacks, Maduro threatens to launch nuke(s) ... then what? Do you call bluff?\n\nMaduro was capture in a militair base (as he did a Saddam, switching sleeping locations), he almost made it into a safe room. What if he had nukes and made it to the safe room. You know the expression \"Cornered rat\"... For all he knew, the US was there to kill him. The US killed his 30 Cuban bodyguards so high change Maduro thought its his end.\n\n> \"Cornered rat\" refers to the idiom that even weak individuals become desperate and dangerous when given no escape, often applied to intense political or military pressure.\n\nThe scenario that you called, that nobody wants to die for Maduro, is you gambling that nobody want to die for him or not follow the chain of command! Do you want to risk it? No matter how many precaution you take, are you really sure that not one or more nukes go to Texas or Miami?\n\nThis is why Nukes are so powerful, even in the hands of weaker countries. It gives a weaker country a weapon that may inflict untold dead to the more powerful country (let alone the political impact). Its a weapon that influences decision making, even in the most powerful countries."
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"id": "46506084",
"text": "Your tone is unnecessarily condescending and confrontational, but your point is reasonable with respect to Venezuela and Maduro.\n\nWith Iran, North Korea, or Ukraine, the calculus is different."
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"id": "46506110",
"text": "> remaining leadership of Venezuela does not in fact want to die for Maduro\n\nNow do this same exercise for Taiwan."
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"id": "46506295",
"text": "There is something in between 0 nuclear weapons used and all nuclear weapons used."
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"id": "46505900",
"text": "That's like arguing against the police arresting criminals because it will incentivize them to acquire weapons.\n\nThe only consistent action for the US to take, given they - and much of the world - do not consider Maduro the legitimate President of Venezuela, was to remove him from power."
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"id": "46505950",
"text": "Terrible take in the 2nd premise of your argument. Is Venezuela a sovereign nation or a colony? Can similar logic be applied against Russia or even the US?"
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"id": "46506738",
"text": "> Is Venezuela a sovereign nation or a colony?\n\nReality is not that black and white. We may no longer have formal colonies, buy the world is still carved up by spheres of influence by the superpowers. Displease them and you'll find out how limited your sovereignty really is."
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"id": "46506091",
"text": "Of course it can, and it is. Such logic is behind the argument in favor of arresting Putin. Many have argued that should happen if he were to step on their nations' soil. The reason no one thinks seriously about going into Russia and enforcing open arrest warrants is that they fear the consequences, though maybe in light of Russia's revealed impotence that fear is unjustified."
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"id": "46506239",
"text": "The sovereignty of Venezuela is not the right argument here, because practical sovereignty is not absolute and there are just war grounds for Maduro's capture. The man was an awful tyrant.\n\nHowever , just because there are just war grounds for Maduro's capture per se doesn't mean the operation was justified by just war principles. It wasn't. It takes more than just the fact that the ruler is tyrannical to justify an operation like this. Operations like this can risk civil war and all sorts of horrible fallout that also need to be considered. There must be a realistic plan following the removal of the tyrannical leader. As always, justice must be upheld always. And of course there are the procedural and legal aspects that Trump totally ignored."
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"id": "46507377",
"text": "I agree with you for the most part. The subtext to all of this is Maduro's close relationships with China and Russia of course."
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"id": "46507120",
"text": "And replace him with the just as illegitimate VP? What world is that consistent in?"
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"id": "46505862",
"text": "This doesn't look like anything malicious, 8048 is just prepending these announcements to 52320.. If anything, it looks like 269832(MDS) had a couple hits to their tier 1 peers which caused these prepended announcements to become more visible to collectors."
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"id": "46505533",
"text": "If you were not already entirely reliant on American tech before, this ought to convince you to put jump in with both feet. What could possibly go wrong?"
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"id": "46505853",
"text": "There is not really any reason to conclude that \"american tech\" was responsible for this attack. If anything, given all the sanctions Venezuela was under and how friendly they are with china, i would be surprised if they were using american tech in their infrastructure.\n\n[Of course i agree with the broader point of dont become dependent on the technology of your geopolitical enemies]"
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